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ARTICLE V STATE AMENDMENT IS THE ONLY OPTION LEFT AS THE SUPREME COURT HAS KILLED THE 10TH AMENDMENT POWERS – A CONVERSATION
• Posted by Mangus Colorado on November 9, 2012
As the national debt continues to grow, states are looking for ways to rein in Washington's out of control spending. Article V of the U.S. Constitution gives states the power to call an amendments convention. If at least 34 states call for a convention, they could consider the National Debt Relief Amendment. The NDRA contains 18 simple, yet extremely powerful words — "An increase in the federal debt requires approval from a majority of the legislatures of the separate States.” Three-fourths of the states, 38 of them, would have to vote to approve the NDRA or any amendment considered at an amendments convention.
Through historical texts and records the Goldwater Institute's constitutional scholars have determined that fears of an Article V amendments convention "running away" are unfounded. The U.S. Constitution would not be rewritten by delegates to such a convention. The Goldwater Institute has studied and written extensively about Article V and the National Debt Relief Amendment. We've also cited original sources from the Founders that show their approval of and advocacy for an amendments convention, as well as articles from other sources that have also researched Article V. A complete list follows.
Goldwater Institute Sources:
Senior Fellow Robert G. Natelson looks at the history of Article V and how states can use it to call an amendments convention in this series:
Amending the Constitution by Convention: A Complete View of the Fou...
Learning from Experience: How the States Used Article V Application...
Amending the Constitution by Convention: Practical Guidance for Cit...
You've heard that an amendments convention can lead to drastic changes to the Constitution. Here the Goldwater Institute sets the record straight:
Goldwater Institute Constitutional Attorney Nick Dranias wrote a series of Daily Emails which explore the use of Article V, the National Debt Relief Amendment, how states can call an amendments convention, and why they should:
States can seek constitutional amendment to end federal debt binge {Link}
No matter who controls Congress, the federal government has been incapable of putting its fiscal house in order.
States must not ignore powerful avenue for bringing back federalism {Link}
When it comes to the balance of power between the federal and state governments, the feds have a stronghold. Though no single avenue exists that would return power to the states, one potent remedy must not be ignored.
Founders prepared path to restrain runaway federal government {Link}
The Founding Fathers put a fail-safe mechanism in the Constitution that gives states the power to rein in an out-of-control federal government--Article V. It is high time for the states to use it.
Debunking myth of the ‘runaway’ convention {Link}
If the states choose to exercise their authority over the federal government through the Article V amendment process, history shows a “runway” convention just won’t happen.
Need national debt relief? {Link}
Thomas Jefferson worried that one thing missing from the newly minted Constitution was some kind of limit on federal debt. Fortunately, President Jefferson’s wish can be a reality through the use of Article V.
Amendment to limit national debt will appeal to states {Link}
Any effort to call for an amendments convention under Article V of the U.S. Constitution must “make the sale” to 34 state legislatures and “close the deal” with 38 states to ratify any amendment. Resolutions to apply for a convention must consider the political appeal of potential suggestions. The National Debt Relief Amendment sets the standard for a highly marketable idea.
The National Debt Relief Amendment Gains Momentum {Link}
As America's debt approaches $14 trillion, it may seem like there is nothing that can be done to stop and reverse the mounting crisis. But 18 words could change all that.
My New Year’s Resolution: A Dynamic Balance of Power {Link}
Nick Dranias has just one New Year's resolution this year. He wants to see an amendments convention that would reign in the federal government's out-of-control spending.
States have same power as Congress to propose amendments to the Con... {Link}
Congress is driving our nation toward a financial cliff and the states must take the wheel. The best way is for states to use their power to call an amendments convention and consider the National Debt Relief Amendment to help end out-of-control spending.
Does the Arizona Legislature Really Believe in State Sovereignty? {Link}
The National Debt Relief Amendment would empower the states to control federal spending. So why are some of the most conservative lawmakers in the Arizona legislature refusing to allow a full vote on the NDRA? It's because they have been given bad information.
Nick Dranias was part of a news conference in which it was announced that the Arizona legislature would be joining other states in considering calling for an Article V amendments convention.
Restoring Freedom Sources:
RestoringFreedom.org is a Texas-based non-profit formed in 2009 that wrote the language for the National Debt Relief Amendment.
About Restoring Freedom.org and the National Debt Relief Amendment:
RestoringFreedom.org: The National Debt Relief Amendment {Link}
Read the model legislation state legislatures can adopt to call for an amendments convention:
RestoringFreedom.org: Model legislation {LINK}
Goldwater Institute experts discuss their thoughts on RestoringFreedom's National Debt Relief Amendment: (video)
Still have questions about the National Debt Relief Amendment? RestoringFreedom answers them in their FAQ's section:
RestoringFreedom.org: Frequently Asked Questions about the National... {Link}
Original Sources:
Perhaps the most convincing evidence that an Article V amendments convention can be a safe and effective way to control the national debt is by looking at original sources written by the Founders. Their intent for Article V is clear.
The plain language of Article V of the U.S. Constitution on the states' right to call an amendments convention is very distinct:
U.S. Constititution Article V {Link}
Proof that an Article V convention is not a general constitutional convention (Founders’ repeated rejection of open convention language for Article V during 1787 Constitutional Convention):
Report of Proceedings on September 15, 1787 in Elliot’s Debates (19... {Link}
and:
Report of Proceedings on September 15, 1787 in Farrand’s (1911), at... {Link}
In James Madison's Federalist No. 43 he writes "It, moreover, equally enables the general and the State governments to originate the amendment of errors, as they may be pointed out by the experience on one side, or on the other":
Federalist No. 43
In Federalist No. 85, Alexander Hamilton writes "We may safely rely on the disposition of the State legislatures to erect barriers against the encroachments of the national authority":
Federalist No. 85
RestoringFreedom.org is a Texas-based non-profit formed in 2009 that wrote the language for the National Debt Relief Amendment.
About Restoring Freedom.org and the National Debt Relief Amendment:
RestoringFreedom.org: The National Debt Relief Amendment {Link}
Read the model legislation state legislatures can adopt to call for an amendments convention:
RestoringFreedom.org: Model legislation {LINK}
Goldwater Institute experts discuss their thoughts on RestoringFreedom's National Debt Relief Amendment: (video)
Still have questions about the National Debt Relief Amendment? RestoringFreedom answers them in their FAQ's section:
RestoringFreedom.org: Frequently Asked Questions about the National... {Link}
Original Sources:
Perhaps the most convincing evidence that an Article V amendments convention can be a safe and effective way to control the national debt is by looking at original sources written by the Founders. Their intent for Article V is clear.
The plain language of Article V of the U.S. Constitution on the states' right to call an amendments convention is very distinct:
U.S. Constititution Article V {Link}
Proof that an Article V convention is not a general constitutional convention (Founders’ repeated rejection of open convention language for Article V during 1787 Constitutional Convention):
Report of Proceedings on September 15, 1787 in Elliot’s Debates (19... {Link}
and:
Report of Proceedings on September 15, 1787 in Farrand’s (1911), at... {Link}
In James Madison's Federalist No. 43 he writes "It, moreover, equally enables the general and the State governments to originate the amendment of errors, as they may be pointed out by the experience on one side, or on the other":
Federalist No. 43
In Federalist No. 85, Alexander Hamilton writes "We may safely rely on the disposition of the State legislatures to erect barriers against the encroachments of the national authority":
Federalist No. 85
In a letter from George Washington to John Armstrong, the future first president writes "It should be remembered that a constitutional door is open for such amendments as shall be thought necessary by nine States":
Washington's Letter to Armstrong
In James Madison's Report On The Virginia Resolutions, House of Delegates (pg 501-02), he writes "...or two thirds of themselves (states), if such had been their opinion, might, by an application to Congress, have obtained a convention for the same object":
Report On The Virginia Resolutions, House of Delegates
James Madison's letter on Nullification also made reference to the Article V amendment process when he writes "the final resort within the purview of the Constitution lies in an amendment of the Constitution, according to a process applicable by the states":
Other Sources:
Along with the Goldwater Institute, Restoring Freedom, and the Founding Fathers themselves, other organizations have weighed in on the Article V amendments convention process.
Heritage Foundation: Amending the Constitution by the Convention Me...
The idea of an Article V amendments convention is nothing new. In 1988 the Heritage Foundation published a report showing numerous safeguards are in place that would keep such a convention from "running away." In fact, Heritage calls a state-called amendments convention safer than Congress proposing amendments.
U.S. Justice Department: Legal opinion that Article V authorizes a ...
In 1979, the U.S. Justice Department wrote a legal opinion that Article V of the Constitution authorizes a limited subject amendments convention.
James Madison and the Constitution’s “Convention for Proposing Amen...
Goldwater Institute Senior Fellow Robert G. Natelson explores James Madison's view that an Article V convention was a powerful and constitutional way to guard against federal governmental excesses.
USDebtClock.org: National debt
Is it really that important that we get federal spending under control? Just one look at the U.S. Debt Clock and the answer is an obvious 'yes'.
This method has been used before - it was used to revoke the 18th amendment because the Federal Congress could not get enough support for fear of losing elections to place the issue before the States so they ask the 3/4 of the State legislatures to vote for approval of the revocation and then return it to Congress so they could send it back to the States for ratification. Which the State legislatures timely ratified and the 21st amendment was passed into law.
Some have tried to use fear and confusion to speak against the Article V method and used the term run away CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION - there is no such thing in the document there is no convention as we think of them now - the definition in the time of the founders was a meeting of two or more people. There is no mechanism to open it up to change the entire Constitution and even if there was the amendment must be sent back to the many States for Ratification so if the item is modified the State legislatures can just say no.
Media Sources:
Politico:
Tea party split on constitutional convention {Link}
Associated Press:
ND House to Congress: Ask states permission to raise federal debt
World Net Daily:
Solution to federal debt binge: Article V {Link}
For further information about an Article V amendments convention, please contact Nick Dranias at ndranias@goldwaterinstitute.org. {Link}
For those that read Phyllis Schlafly, this should offset her preached fears that I have read for her published works. This lady is just not correct in her "OPINION" - AGAIN I would ask that those that have interest read the Goldwater Institution's numerous papers on the subject of the Con Con - [note: there is no such item in the constitution so where is she coming from?]
Please keep in mind that the "RUNAWAY CONVENTION" is a red herring because even if it did go wacky; there is little or no risk because 3/4th or 38 State legislatures must ratify the work or it is void. Those that fear this concept are those that have a vested interest in the supreme Federal Government we now have - the three branches of government have usurped the powers they now wield without authority in the Constitution.
Indeed what the three branches has done is to change the meaning of words and altered punctuations to create new powers that are just not there. They have even just said that the Constitution was just an outline for government, they also said it was a living document and should be modernized every so often by Congress and the Courts. Well these are just flat out lies - there is no evidence in any of the Founders Papers nor does the Constitution contain language that would support these beliefs.
Washington's Letter to Armstrong
In James Madison's Report On The Virginia Resolutions, House of Delegates (pg 501-02), he writes "...or two thirds of themselves (states), if such had been their opinion, might, by an application to Congress, have obtained a convention for the same object":
Report On The Virginia Resolutions, House of Delegates
James Madison's letter on Nullification also made reference to the Article V amendment process when he writes "the final resort within the purview of the Constitution lies in an amendment of the Constitution, according to a process applicable by the states":
Other Sources:
Along with the Goldwater Institute, Restoring Freedom, and the Founding Fathers themselves, other organizations have weighed in on the Article V amendments convention process.
Heritage Foundation: Amending the Constitution by the Convention Me...
The idea of an Article V amendments convention is nothing new. In 1988 the Heritage Foundation published a report showing numerous safeguards are in place that would keep such a convention from "running away." In fact, Heritage calls a state-called amendments convention safer than Congress proposing amendments.
U.S. Justice Department: Legal opinion that Article V authorizes a ...
In 1979, the U.S. Justice Department wrote a legal opinion that Article V of the Constitution authorizes a limited subject amendments convention.
James Madison and the Constitution’s “Convention for Proposing Amen...
Goldwater Institute Senior Fellow Robert G. Natelson explores James Madison's view that an Article V convention was a powerful and constitutional way to guard against federal governmental excesses.
USDebtClock.org: National debt
Is it really that important that we get federal spending under control? Just one look at the U.S. Debt Clock and the answer is an obvious 'yes'.
This method has been used before - it was used to revoke the 18th amendment because the Federal Congress could not get enough support for fear of losing elections to place the issue before the States so they ask the 3/4 of the State legislatures to vote for approval of the revocation and then return it to Congress so they could send it back to the States for ratification. Which the State legislatures timely ratified and the 21st amendment was passed into law.
Some have tried to use fear and confusion to speak against the Article V method and used the term run away CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION - there is no such thing in the document there is no convention as we think of them now - the definition in the time of the founders was a meeting of two or more people. There is no mechanism to open it up to change the entire Constitution and even if there was the amendment must be sent back to the many States for Ratification so if the item is modified the State legislatures can just say no.
Media Sources:
Politico:
Tea party split on constitutional convention {Link}
Associated Press:
ND House to Congress: Ask states permission to raise federal debt
World Net Daily:
Solution to federal debt binge: Article V {Link}
For further information about an Article V amendments convention, please contact Nick Dranias at ndranias@goldwaterinstitute.org. {Link}
For those that read Phyllis Schlafly, this should offset her preached fears that I have read for her published works. This lady is just not correct in her "OPINION" - AGAIN I would ask that those that have interest read the Goldwater Institution's numerous papers on the subject of the Con Con - [note: there is no such item in the constitution so where is she coming from?]
Please keep in mind that the "RUNAWAY CONVENTION" is a red herring because even if it did go wacky; there is little or no risk because 3/4th or 38 State legislatures must ratify the work or it is void. Those that fear this concept are those that have a vested interest in the supreme Federal Government we now have - the three branches of government have usurped the powers they now wield without authority in the Constitution.
Indeed what the three branches has done is to change the meaning of words and altered punctuations to create new powers that are just not there. They have even just said that the Constitution was just an outline for government, they also said it was a living document and should be modernized every so often by Congress and the Courts. Well these are just flat out lies - there is no evidence in any of the Founders Papers nor does the Constitution contain language that would support these beliefs.